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Bluepixie

15th June 2006, 14:51

So, guys. When do you want the next LAN to be? It won't be until maybe end of July that we will have new equipment (hopefully) but that's shouldn't stop a LAN early July if you want one. So....what you think?

YegaDoyai

15th June 2006, 15:00

why not the first weekend of july like it normally is?

in any case I don't care when, I don't work weekends so I have no preference.

Why do you think it will take so long to get the equipment? If Ru and Jan are back before the end of June then why would it take more than a couple of days to get the stuff ordered and built? It's not like we don't know what we want or how to get it setup. If needs be I'll donate the current servers HDD which already has the games setup on it to get a quick start. Anyway, that is by the by, lets get the next LAN on, bring on the DoW tourney!

Strings

15th June 2006, 15:09

Not much time to explain much.

But I'd say first weekend in August, to test everything. Things will be too hectic for me during July.

And Pixie, check your PMs dammit.

DAve

15th June 2006, 16:28

I'm busy the first week back in July, so really any time after that is good.

Sideshow

15th June 2006, 18:54

Uh, first weekend of the month? Doesn't seem to be an option in the broken poll though...

Captain_Caveman

16th June 2006, 18:25

I second that, I probably won't be able to make anything but the 1-2nd July or wait until august cos we are moving shop. Speaking of which we have an Athlon 64 3200 + board on offer for Â£100 the day of opening which might suit the server well. Just a though.

Fyndir

16th June 2006, 19:14

August would suit me better, since I'm on Holiday for most of July.

Sideshow

16th June 2006, 19:38

You want to hold next months LAN at the start of August?

Fyndir

16th June 2006, 22:16

You want to hold next months LAN at the start of August?

Pixie put it in the poll.

Therefore it's a perfectly valid option for me to pick in the discussion.

Edit: Not sure what happened to my quote there...I think I've fixed it. =/

Edit edit: Hmm, the forum is consistently adding the backward slashes to the quote code. =(

Sideshow

16th June 2006, 22:46

That wasn't directed specifically at you Fyndir, I was talking to Strings too (and whoever made the up poll Niall). We're gonna have a LAN in August (obviously). I don't see what that has to do the lan in July

Strings

17th June 2006, 01:23

The 5th and 6th of August is the first weekend of the month.

Bluepixie

17th June 2006, 11:34

The first weekend of July has not been included in the poll because it is not a valid option. Ru, Strings and Jan will be moving into their new lair that weekend hence I though it's only fair to not have the LAN then.

DAve

17th June 2006, 16:37

Edit: Not sure what happened to my quote there...I think I've fixed it. =/

Edit edit: Hmm, the forum is consistently adding the backward slashes to the quote code. =(
Something to do with the recent patch. Fixed now, anyway.

Sideshow

17th June 2006, 16:39

Ah, OK. Can we have a lit of the special people then? The ones that lans get postponed for? I mean, Aaron hasn't been able to come for months because it's been the first weekend, when he could always have made the second.

Strings

17th June 2006, 16:57

Well that's the committee's Secretary, the treasurer and the server admin all unable to attend.

YegaDoyai

17th June 2006, 18:02

well considering they are not required for a lan to procede what is the issue? it's not like we have a server to admin.

Strings

17th June 2006, 22:21

Well if you feel you can handle the transport issues, go right ahead and have one. DAve cant make it, I cant make it and Jan cant make it. As far as Im aware, we are the only people with cars.

Providing that quite a few people NEED transport to actually get to the LAN, why not just postpone it till August?

LastChanceHotel

17th June 2006, 22:33

I don't see why you can't do one if you really want, but I'll be moving with Strings and Ru, so I probably won't be able to attend.

If you're just going to have a straight "one switch 5 PCs" LAN, there's no real need for us to get involved. Aside from the inevitable "I haven't been assigned an IP address" stuff, you should be fine.

Transport? I think it'll once more be a matter of finding your own way there (or someone with a car). I already pulled out all the stops taking people home from the last lan :)

Last_Chance

YegaDoyai

17th June 2006, 23:29

you did indeed Jan and your service shall be remembered.

Phizz

18th June 2006, 11:45

I'm up for second week of July.

--Mogwai--

18th June 2006, 19:12

im against postponing a LAN on the basis that a few 'select' members cant make it, its never been the case before, it shouldnt be the case now.

however seeing as the first weekend isnt an option, i voted late july, the world cup matches will be played in the earlier weekends and everyone watches those, right?....

20th June 2006, 18:15

Im up for the first weekend, i see no hardcore reason why not!

Captain_Caveman

21st June 2006, 17:27

GOOD NEWS EVERYONE, I TAUGHT THE TOASTER TO LOVE. Erm no, thats not it,

ah yes now I remember.

I can make the lan if it is the 8-9th July. Much musical shifts at work which mean I am free to die horribly at DOW.

Bluepixie

21st June 2006, 18:28

Looks like 8th 9th of July seems like a good time.

Sideshow

21st June 2006, 18:57

Nothing can be drawn from this poll, since it's incomplete. Can we have a new thread, with a new non-bogus poll? An unbiased poll for a July LAN has these options:
1st&2nd
8th&9th
15th&16th
22nd&23rd
29th&30th
since those are the weekends in July. An option for a date in August is silly - the August lan will be in august (and I assume on the first weekend of the month, as usual). You could add an option for 'No Lan in July', but really that option just smacks of "I can't play anymore and I'm taking my toys home with me". Just because a given person can't make it to the lan doesn't invalidate it for the rest of us. The only reason for a lan not taking place is if not enough people can make it, and by my metric the minimum number of attendees to have a lan is 7.

Fyndir

21st June 2006, 20:01

The only reason for a lan not taking place is if not enough people can make it, and by my metric the minimum number of attendees to have a lan is 7.

But again comes the issue of travel, how many people can make it without help from Strings, Dave or Jan?

Who's going to set the LAN up if the majority of the commitee + Dave can't make it? (since they're usually all involved in the setup in my experience)

It doesn't smack of anything of the sort, if anything it smacks of cold hard practicality, you're not offering any other options as to travel or setup, you're just stamping your foot and demanding your way.

Sideshow

21st June 2006, 20:14

It doesn't smack of anything of the sort, if anything it smacks of cold hard practicality, you're not offering any other options as to travel or setup, you're just stamping your foot and demanding your way.

WTF are you talking about? I'm not demanding anything, except we have a fair vote for when the lan is. The only people who are always there for setup are DAve and Yega. Yega can make it whenever (last I heard), so what's the problem with setup? A vote for 'no lan in july' is at best an abstention, which is pointless in this situation. We need to know when the next lan is, then we need to organise it.
Regardless of all that, you've already said you're not coming, so why are you shit-stirring in here?

Fyndir

21st June 2006, 20:33

The only people who are always there for setup are DAve and Yega. Yega can make it whenever (last I heard), so what's the problem with setup?

So you're expecting Yega to do the entire setup on his own?

That's nice of you.

Regardless of all that, you've already said you're not coming, so why are you shit-stirring in here?

I'm not shit-stirring in the slightest, I'm just curious as to how you expect a LAN to work when a number of key members can't make it, the people who organise travel and help most of the regular members get there can't make it, most of the people who usually set up the LAN and put it all away again at the end of the weekend can't make it...so frankly I just can't see it working on those dates, which is what Niall was working from and seems to have been a perfectly reasonable thing to say.

You're still not offering solutions to any of the problems I've mentioned, again all you've done is complain without actually doing anything constructive.

YegaDoyai

21st June 2006, 21:18

If I decide I want to goto the lan on the first and no lifts are available it is up to me to decide how to get there. Last time I checked that was kinda a given for adults, ya know making there own minds up.

Sid

22nd June 2006, 04:05

g0r and myself won't be able to make one in July - will be in Berlin to catch the football.

Sideshow

22nd June 2006, 11:16

--SNIP-- quote taken out of context being deliberately misconstrued --SNIP--

*plonk*

g0r and myself won't be able to make one in July - will be in Berlin to catch the football.

Nice!

Fyndir

22nd June 2006, 11:44

--SNIP-- quote taken out of context being deliberately misconstrued --SNIP--

*plonk*

It really wasn't out of context, I asked who would deal with the setup, your only response was that Yega could still make it even if no-one else who usually helped could.

Therefore Yega would be the only one doing the setup.

DAve

22nd June 2006, 12:29

Regardless of all that, you've already said you're not coming, so why are you shit-stirring in here?

I'm not shit-stirring in the slightest, I'm just curious as to how you expect a LAN to work when a number of key members can't make it,

..so frankly I just can't see it working on those dates, which is what Niall was working from and seems to have been a perfectly reasonable thing to say.

You're still not offering solutions to any of the problems I've mentioned, again all you've done is complain without actually doing anything constructive.
Listen to the Fyndir. He makes sense.

You can't run a lan without volunteers, especially when the volunteers make up some of the people who are turning up to the lan.

It's up to the committee to decide when they run the lans. It's amazing how a simple thing like asking when the members want the next lan to be, spirals into bitching.

It's pretty obvious the committee won't be running a lan on the first weekend of next month, because most of them can't make it. Stop bitching about it, and pick the next best date. Sometimes we don't get exactly what we want, but as adults we have to compromise.

------------
Set-up is actually quite a hard thing to organise. It takes about 10 man-hours of work to get all the cableing and tables up.

Bluepixie

22nd June 2006, 12:43

The way things are going there are not going to be enough people to have a LAN during July. People are busy doing other things (i.e. life) which means getting a date to suit everybody is difficult if not impossible.

There are two options now reflected in the new poll of this thread.

1. - Hold a LAN at my flat in July. This will be easier to find a date as we can be more flexible and don't need to book in advance in the same manner. A date can be chosen during the meeting on Wednesday.

2. - No LAN in July. If we can not come to an agreement like civilised adults this is the way it shall have to be.

Strings

22nd June 2006, 13:35

I'm glad some people have seen sense in this nonsense. No one is suggesting you aren't an adult Peter, Fyndir was just pointing out the logistics. And well played to him for doing so, considering the shit he took.

If Niall wants to have a mini-lan for some folk, thats cool. But Im still rooting for first weekend in August for the next proper LAN. Everyone (or mostly everyone I imagine) is available, and it leaves us with aplenty room to organise the buying of the equipment and other pre-lan organisation.

But in the future, remember it's the committee that decides these things ultimately. It's not to be squibbled over by the members if a decision has been reached or is looking likely to be reached.

Just keep it calm, LANs are supposed to be about having fun, not righteous speeches and technicalities.

Sideshow

22nd June 2006, 13:43

The thread is called 'When do you want the next lan to be?'
Not 'Whose coming to the next lan?' or 'How are we going to set up the next lan?', because we can't work that out until we know when the lan is, and therefor who is available to help set up.
There were at least 8 votes for a lan at some point in July in the poll before you deleted it, plus me (and Jon, and whoever else didn't vote), so I don't get the whole 'not enough people available in july' thing. 10+ people is plenty enough for a lan.
This needs sorted really soon, since July is almost upon us.

YegaDoyai

22nd June 2006, 16:35

Right you power whoreing bitches first up.

Fyndir: Round of applause for pointing out what we all knew and would have had to come up with a solution to if there was a LAN. (Thanks Strings for, once again, reinforcing the veiw that I or any other member of GUNS was incapable of thinking far enough ahead to see that the lifts that are normally available would not have been for the LAN. - smacks head against wall for thinking that higher educated people might have a brain cell or two to rub together)

(In accordance with Sideshows first rule about the GUNS forum I make the following explinations: the initial part about me applauding Fyndir was sarcasm, I mean Fyndir no harm but equally I feel that no accolades are due as his statements had very little merit in my opinion. The second part is a smack down for Strings who clearly felt it was nesscessary to defend Fyndirs corner - which is of merit - but decided to approach the failed veiwpoint that we are all mindless drones, rather than the more pressing issue of Sideshows unwarrented attack on Fyndir. The smack down is meant in jest and hopefully Strings will recover from the injuries, no doubt, caused.

Strings: The committee decides NOTHING, they make proposals to the group for decisions and only if the group decides to LET the committee make a decision does the committee get to do so. First wiff of the committee doing something not agreed by the group I will make it my personal vendetta to disband the committee.

This is an issue that has plauged me ever since seeing a university run club. The committee is there to make decisions, yes. The committee is there to give guidance and leadership, yes. However all your power is for nought if you don't have the backing of the group. If the group were to be run formally I'd expect that the committee will propose at the next meeting that there will be a purchase of several items, at which point estimated costs and our finiances will be disclosed to the group. If the group votes to go ahead with the purchases THEN the committee can go ahead. The committee cannot and will not make decisions without the authority of the group. You can veiw yourselves as the governing body, but it is more like the American system than the British, there is no opposition, there are no peers. Your (the committee) proposals go to (in our case) a private members vote and can then be taken forward if approved. It would be possible to have a voting members group subset of the group that would consist of the committee and any members that regularly attend LANS and/or helps out regularly has a vote and those other members (we have something like 100 remember) do not get an oppertunity to vote. I only see that being nesscessary if we thought it was likely that the 'others' started to vote for stupid things but as they don't have a voice in the committee it is unlikely that'll ever happen.

This might sound preachy, high and mighty or that I;m pissed off. None of that is true. If I was talking to you all face to face I'd be saying exactly the same things, except I'd have shot Fyndir down before Sideshow had a chance to respond. In writting this I remembered, or rather couldn't remember if the constitution was ratified or not.

To recap, there WILL be a LAN in July. It will be held at the Pixies and my place this is regarless of who wants one, I do and that's enough for me (assuming that Iain/Larry/Captin Caveman/Ru are still up for it more are welcome but these folk have already said yea). There could be another LAN in July - with something like 10 folk available we could happily have a LAN and I do not mind doing the setup on my own or arranging my own transport as nesscessary. However, due to the unlikely nature of people actually putting thier name up/voting on here, it is unlikely that we'll know if enough people want a LAN or not, because of this apathy I am unwilling to set aside time and funds for an 'almost' LAN where 5 folk put thier names down but we expect at least 7-8 more. If we can get 10 names as definately attending a July LAN then it should be arranged.

Sideshow

22nd June 2006, 16:42

Agree with everything you said, exept for my 'unwarranted attack', which I can't see anywhere in the thread. I only started getting pissed off with him after he went ad hominem, and compared me to some tantrum throwing 8 year old (which was ridiculous since I've been demanding nothing save a free choice of date).

Fyndir

22nd June 2006, 17:08

Fyndir: Round of applause for pointing out what we all knew and would have had to come up with a solution to if there was a LAN.

Personally I think that's the wrong way round, if you want a LAN on date X, as Sideshow clearly did, then you should be offering a way for things to work on that date, if you expect everyone to make their own arrangements then make that clear, if you're going to come up with something and get transport sorted then make that clear, however Sideshow didn't do any of that.

Which is what was leading me to press the point and try and get an answer out of Sideshow, who seemed to be the main person pushing for a LAN on those dates.

If I see people so willfully ignoring something like that then I point it out, it may seem stupid, it may seem as if I'm accusing other people of being stupid, but everyone's stupid from time to time, I know fine well that I'll plan things and only realise later that I've forgotten a rather major step, and I didn't want to see the same happen here.

YegaDoyai

22nd June 2006, 18:03

I have seen no LAN in the past where the GUNS group has offered to support or otherwise help members get to a LAN. I have only seen instances of kindness from specific members offering thier services. As for the day to day running of the LAN there is no need for even one committee member. The only influence required by the committee for a LAN is the organisation, the day to day running can and has been delegated to people attending LANs when committee members are not available. The importance of one committee member at the LANs from Aug onward will increase (Jan) as we will require him to administer the server and make sure things run tickity-boo other than that I see no influence that affects the lan coming from the committee members - other than swelling the numbers and the fact that most of the time they are a pretty good lot to have about.)

I could not and can not see any complications if no member of the core group failed to attend a lan or if no committee members cannot attend a LAN provided the committe members are able to actually liase with one person who IS attending to ensure that someone is in charge and possibly help with the organisation of the getting the room. The group should not live or die on the attendance of committee members to LANs.

Does the attendance of Strings, Jan, Ru & Pixie influence your ability to attend a LAN?

Strings

22nd June 2006, 20:04

YegaDoyai

22nd June 2006, 21:08

yes, and you have also found out why law is so much fun, interpretation.

I disagree with your interpretation and can quite happily have that quote from the constitution fit in with what I said.

Fyndir

22nd June 2006, 21:12

Does the attendance of Strings, Jan, Ru & Pixie influence your ability to attend a LAN?

For a July LAN?

Not really, I wouldn't be able to attend anyway, I'm away for the vast majority of July.

For any other LAN in the near future?

Almost certainly, I can't afford the multiple taxi rides generally involved in a LAN for me, getting to the LAN I can manage, getting home on the Saturday night involves either a nice long walk down Byres and then Dumbarton Road at whatever AM it happens to be or a Â£6 taxi ride, getting home on Sunday night WITH my equipment involves a similar taxi ride with the added joy of leaving either my bag full of cables, games and a monitor or my PC itself in the Taxi while I carry the other upstairs.

Last LAN I managed fine with Jans help, however it's very likely I'd face the same problem again at the next LAN, unless my dad happened to be available to pick me up once we're done.

So yes, at least some of them are rather necessary to me being there at the moment, and for a few other people aswell.

--Mogwai--

23rd June 2006, 00:08

wow, juggernaut of a thread. i have to agree with peter and sidehow here. theyre making valid points. we are perfectly capable as a society of organising a LAN regardless of non-attendants, be they committe or not, so long as a date is set with enough notice. as for getting there, cheers to strings and gor and whoever else provides lifts obviously, and yes it would be ideal for the maximum number of people to attend the maximum number of times, but if lifts for whatever reason are unavailable, getting to the venue wouldnt be too tough i gather for the majority. same applies to setting up, ok yes having certain people there is a huge help, but amongst the society as a whole im sure there is enough talent and know-how to get things going.
the original purpose of this thread supposedly was to set a date, yet it seems only half of the posters even voted on the (original) poll before weighing in with their two cents. shit-stirring certaintly is an accurate description, and hardly un-warranted.
as for the committee, the PW crew, i think its understandable that theres some friction if you lot cant get the first no-brainer mid-summer lan up and running, and the thread associated with its organisation descends into a back and forth argument. wonder what happens when people start leaving the city for months at a time??

end of the day though, as long as people get to game, they'll be happy probably. i want a guns lan in july, i dont care who can make it or not (lets face it CSS is infy better without strings... all we need is sideshow to fall mysteriously ill and the DoW is sorted too... ), and well in peter/niall for offering to host an alternative LAN at theirs.

Bluepixie

23rd June 2006, 11:13

Can people please vote in the poll. I apologise for changing it, but there seemed to be no other option in light of this thread.

Captain_Caveman

23rd June 2006, 11:17

Sideshow

23rd June 2006, 11:34

Caveman's Crazy Concepts: 1

All this talk of transport got me thinking. Please hands in the air if you are a student and have a driving licence.
Now would those with their hands in the air be willing to sit the SRC bus test.
If yes then transport problem solved.

This has been brought up before. IIRC to be allowed to drive the SRC bus you have to be 21+ and have 3 years of clean license, which I don't think anyone in GUNS is a match for. (hoping to be wrong...)

DAve

23rd June 2006, 12:11

Strings: The committee decides NOTHING, they make proposals to the group for decisions and only if the group decides to LET the committee make a decision does the committee get to do so. First wiff of the committee doing something not agreed by the group I will make it my personal vendetta to disband the committee.
Don't mean to rain on your parade or anything, but the GUNS constitution quite succinctly states:
4.5
The Committee shall decide upon the events and activities undertaken by the Society.
No where in the constitution does it state that you have any right in the slightest to go on a "personal vendetta to disband the committee".
Actually it does. There are specific constitutional points for the membership to disband the committee, coup d'Ã©tat, etc

I don't believe that it should be used lightly or at the first opportunity. It's a serious act that really throws a society off kilter. I've been part of a society that's overthrown its president before, and it's not pretty or fun, and is hugely damaging to the society as a whole.

The committee is like the MPs in the house of commons, we vote them in, but once they're in they have free reign to decide what to do.
They have to walk the line between doing what they think is right for the interests of the club and attending to the interests of the voters (or membership, in this case).

This means that the committee decides amongst itself what they do with the clubs' money (even if they give it away). It doesn't need the members approval. If the members don't like it, then it votes the committee out at the next opportunity, calls an EGM or any other measure in the consitution.

It's not democracy. It's not perfect. Everyone's not going to agree on every move the society makes. Likewise, it's not a dictatorship either.

However, the committee should at least consult the membership if they think the decision is important. That's just due dilligence.

Which brings me to where GUNS are.

It's pretty clear that the members want a lan in July, but the committee can't run one. Stalemate.

Since the club constitution clearly states:
The aim of the Society shall be to promote all forms of computerised, multiplayer gaming.
I propose the committee arrange a lan in July and not be there. Possibly nominate a trusted person to organise the lan without them actually having to be there to run it themselves, or run it in Niall and Peter's flat, or another idea entirely.

If they decide that they can't run a lan next month, then I think the members will run one anyway.

My suggestions. (they're only my opinion)
To the committee: it's going to run anyway, give them a hand to organise it.

To the members: give the committee a chance. It's hard work and stressful to organise lans. Threatening to overthrow them this early on when they've not even run a lan is unhelpful.

DAve

23rd June 2006, 12:15

This has been brought up before. IIRC to be allowed to drive the SRC bus you have to be 21+ and have 3 years of clean license, which I don't think anyone in GUNS is a match for. (hoping to be wrong...)
I am, and I'm willing to help out with the minibussing.

It's easy to get the minibus licence from the SRC for those that are wanting to help the club.

Bluepixie

23rd June 2006, 12:40

Thank you DAve. :D

Would you be willing to do the mini-bus regularly? We probably won't need it for the LAN at my place but for August definitely.

DAve

23rd June 2006, 12:48

Would you be willing to do the mini-bus regularly? We probably won't need it for the LAN at my place but for August definitely.
Yes, I'll try and help as much as I can.

YegaDoyai

23rd June 2006, 13:12

Fair play dave, I'll let off a little. :) Before the voting of the committee I was untroubled by the constitution as there was a nice split in power between you, pixie and chris. However now that we have 2 brother and 3 flatmates I feel that there is a centralization of power and we do not have the measures in place to ensure they don't fuck up (no offence but we are a young club and you guys are new to it aswell so there is everychance of a balls up). With the current committee Fyndir is the only one that is unlikely to be affected by voting against the grain as he does not live with and is not related to any other member. As we have a presidential role I thought the constitution was based on the standard american system (without certain veto rights that a president normally gets). So, well done folks, we voted in a party majority and we are fucked if we disagree with them. :(

-please note that I did not vote for all the members as they stand, I wanted a seperation in power that I have not got. :( boo!

That is all, for now. Oh and DAve can I be the ride-in mechanic for the minibussing?

Sideshow

23rd June 2006, 13:14

That is all, for now. Oh and DAve can I be the ride-in mechanic for the minibussing?

Only if you bring a large spanner, and hop out every time the minibus stops (like at red lights), and waggle said spanner up and down.

DAve

23rd June 2006, 13:49

So, well done folks, we voted in a party majority and we are fucked if we disagree with them. :(
Nah, not fucked entirely. We all know flatmates don't agree with each other all the time. Some of them have the same taste in shirts, but probably don't agree all the time. ;)

There are still checks and balances in the system. Taking minutes of the committee meetings and making them available to the members, for example.

It does mean that Fyndir does have an important role to play (on the committee) in making sure that the committee as a whole doesn't get too big for their boots.
Kind of like a GUNSwatch.

Bugger, I didn't realise that they all shared the same flat.
If your rights of free gaming are ever oppressed, then I can recommend a safe-house.

Seriously though, you are the inside man now. We're relying on you (just as I did last year) to keep us on the straight and narrow. I'm sure you'll have no problems telling the committee if they're being stupid.

That is all, for now. Oh and DAve can I be the ride-in mechanic for the minibussing?
Only if you bring a large spanner, and hop out every time the minibus stops (like at red lights), and waggle said spanner up and down.
Only if you promise not to run over me when you're done.

Strings

23rd June 2006, 14:26

I thought we needed two people for that minibus thing? DAve was always willing to be the main guy for it, but we needed one other person who was over 21 and driving for three years.

Fyndir

23rd June 2006, 16:26

With the current committee Fyndir is the only one that is unlikely to be affected by voting against the grain as he does not live with and is not related to any other member.

It does mean that Fyndir does have an important role to play (on the committee) in making sure that the committee as a whole doesn't get too big for their boots.
Kind of like a GUNSwatch.

....

I'm succeptible to bri...uhh...accepting funding from interested parties who may have an opinion they wish to see formally represented within the commitee.

>_>

<_<

As we have a presidential role I thought the constitution was based on the standard american system

Well we will be a bit MORE like the American system if I start accepting...funding... ;)

YegaDoyai

23rd June 2006, 22:31

played fyndir, gotta get the money bitches!

By volunteering for the second seat in the minibus I was hoping to reduce the stress and general shitness of the job by being a dogsbody for shiting computers etc, plus some company for the driver so he don't get bored and sell all our kit.

Btw I was thinking I could just hire a car, it wouldn't cost that much (i'm 26 now) if everyone needing a lift chipped in a quid or two, still much cheaper for all than taxis. Plus I REALLY enjoy driving so that is no issue ;)