Starcraft 2

[YcMing]

Would anyone try that out, IF it comes out ^^?

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3980165796053569246&q=starcraft

Here's a mod for starcrfat in C&C i think.

personally i do wish it won't be in 3D , if it ver comes out, but this video do look amazing!!

[Fyndir]

Would anyone try that out, IF it comes out ^^?!

Dude, that is SUCH a rip off of that other game you like, Sunmake or whatever it's called. ;)


I'd probably end up getting it if it ever came out, yeah. =)

[YcMing]

i know, but they made all the units, loook so much like starcraft units :)

[Sideshow]

Oh yeah (http://uk.pc.ign.com/articles/727/727892p1.html)

[YcMing]

:O :O, just imagine !!!!!!!!

As much as i love this game, there is actually no need to have a full section on starcraft >.<, may be have one for DOW -WA???? since everyone on the GS section talks about WA ^^.

starcraft forever ^^

[Sideshow]

I had thought similar thoughts, but they're a fickle bunch, and as soon as a DoW forum got made they'd all start playing Age of Empires or something (http://www.everyone-dies.com/).

[Captain_Caveman]

Bit of a shame Blizzard shut down the C&C generals Starcraft mod isn't it, it looked sweet.

[Sideshow]

The one I saw was a WC3 Starcraft mod

[Sid]

- Put on your skeptical goggles because rumors are swirling that StarCraft 2 is finally a reality. The Team Liquid forums (http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=51768) have translated an article from Korean site Fighter Forum that says StarCraft 2 is on the way and a beta will be released at the end of 2007.

http://uk.pc.ign.com/articles/779/779920p1.html

[Sideshow]

Seemed interesting until they said that Blizzard are gonna shut down the old servers, which is such utter nonsense it sort of clouds the rest of the article.

[Strings]

Saw this on Digg a couple of weeks ago. Most people thought the server statement was horse shit as why would Blizzard need to ensure its successful.

Have they actually made a bad game?

[TK-Maximus]

WC3 was about the worst game they've made, and it's still quite good in my opinion.

(Goes back to WoW)

[Hex]

Saw this on Digg a couple of weeks ago. Most people thought the server statement was horse shit as why would Blizzard need to ensure its successful.

Have they actually made a bad game?

As I already commented in the "Best news ever" thread, they really aren't gonna start shutting servers down, thats just a huge lie. I will take as example, Warcraft 2 (Battle.net Edition). There are servers run for Warcaft 2 on bnet for Europe, Asia, US East and US West. ALL OF THESE except for US West are no desolate (tbh I don't remember there ever being players on the asian server since SC came out lol) but nontheless, Blizzard maintains all these servers for a realy old game that a small number of people still play. It used to be popular, but the release of SC and particularly the release of WC3 mean that now there are maybe 50 games of WC2 on bnet at any one time. If Blizzard were inclined to shut down servers, they would do it for WC2 before they take any other games "off the air" as it were. More to the point, bnet runs on advertising revenues from the banner ads at the top of the chat rooms. The starcraft ad's are viewed by millions per day, why the hell would any company destroy a source of revenue that large?

[YcMing]

Yup nothing to worry about :), they won't shut B-net down ;).

They let wgtour to run their ladder, but till now is still not up yet :(.

And they better do a good job on SC2, after how amazing SC is.

[LastChanceHotel]

battle.net will never die, as long as there is a korean on this earth.

[Hex]

battle.net will never die, as long as there is a korean on this earth.

Jan, not only is that something of a racial stereotype, its also an inaccuracy - battle.net is a service for people to play all the Blizzard games - Diablo, Diablo 2, Warcraft 2 & 3 and Starcraft. Its only really on SC that you find a large number of Korean players. Lets keep the slurring down eh?

[YegaDoyai]

I don't really think that was a slur against the Koreans, it would be akin to saying that porridg will never disappear so long as there is a scots person on this earth. Hardly true but not exactly insulting.

[LastChanceHotel]

Jan, not only is that something of a racial stereotype, its also an inaccuracy - battle.net is a service for people to play all the Blizzard games - Diablo, Diablo 2, Warcraft 2 & 3 and Starcraft. Its only really on SC that you find a large number of Korean players. Lets keep the slurring down eh?

Shush, hex.

Do you think I believe nobody else uses battle.net, when quite obviously everyone who has played starcraft online has used it? Do you think I believe Koreans are the only people who play Starcraft, when quite obviously a wide variety of people from different countries (including myself) do?

Quit trying to put words in my mouth, k? ;)

Anyway, to try and stop providing ammunition for Hex to threadshit again, I'll stop here.

[YcMing]

Jan, just like to let you know, majority of the koreans play on their own private server, and only some play on battle net :)

don't think any B-net user have anything to worry about b-net will live forever!!!!

And hurry up sc2 !!!!

[LastChanceHotel]

[QUOTE=YcMing;14471]Jan, just like to let you know, majority of the koreans play on their own private server, and only some play on battle net :)/QUOTE]

I learn something new every day. private servers make a lot of sense for something as big as starcraft...

[Uuurrahh]

Personally I enjoyed Jan's racial stereotyping. Just as I enjoy all forms of racism presented in a comedic manner.

[Hex]

What, so you enjoy Bernard Manning and Roy Chubby Brown? If the answer to that question is a genuine yes then I suggest you go and shoot yourself.

[Sideshow]

What do you call a black man flying an aeroplane?

[Phizz]

A Pilot?

[Sideshow]

Well, you're just ruining all my fun, ain'tcha?

[Ru]

What do you call a black man flying an aeroplane?

I DON'T KNOW!!

[Uuurrahh]

What, so you enjoy Bernard Manning and Roy Chubby Brown? If the answer to that question is a genuine yes then I suggest you go and shoot yourself.

I don't consider them comedic ;)

[YegaDoyai]

Or you (hex) should go shoot yourself for being so narrow minded (or should I for being narrowminded enough to want him to shoot himself?) But anyway, Yes I have found both of the above to be funny at times, and at said times they were using racist/otherwise offensive comedy and I don't mind the world knowing.

[Hex]

Or you (hex) should go shoot yourself for being so narrow minded (or should I for being narrowminded enough to want him to shoot himself?) But anyway, Yes I have found both of the above to be funny at times, and at said times they were using racist/otherwise offensive comedy and I don't mind the world knowing.

Sorry Yega, I don't often get all principled but I find that downright fucking offensive. Both Manning and Chubby Brown and biggots, pure and simple. They are the fucking scum of the earth, a pox on our society. I think if you use your head you'll realise that its not narrow-minded to find racism offensive whether or not its thinly disguised as comedy. I don't care how fucking hilarious anyone thinks these men are, racism is never gonna be big, clever or funny, and I am never gonna respect anyone who tries to argue otherwise.

p.s. Glad to see you have some sense Euan ;)

EDIT: Apologies for starting tangents again, I seem to have a talent for this. Yega, if you REALLY want to try and argue this one, start another thread, lets not further ruin the SC2 thread....

[LastChanceHotel]

Okay, this is getting out of hand. I have created this thread http://www.pausegaming.com/forum/showthread.php?p=14519 for further discussion related to this matter to keep all the cruft out of the rest of the boards.

I will discuss moving the above off-topic discussions into their own thread (or deleting them, if deemed appropriate) with the other committee members tonight, but for now I would like to request all further posters in this thread to please refrain from discussing matters that do not involve Starcraft, Thank you.

Anyway - Back to starcraft - whatever happened to that leet-looking 3D clone a bunch of people made, and Blizzard got pissed at them for? :D

Also, will starcraft 2 be in 3D, a-la DoW? Will we get full zooming (similar to Supreme Commander)?

[Hex]

Well being as Warcraft 3 is in 3D it would seem strange for Starcraft 2 to be any different....

As for the clone that Blizzard got pissed about, I'd imagine Blizzard used the Law-Hammer (its the like the Ban-Hammer they have for WoW) and shut it the hell down. Just like the shut down the Glider software for WoW. For some reason they seem to pay no attention to Warcraft 2 clones/hacks (e.g. Warcraft 2 Combat Edition (http://server.war2.ru/modules/mydownloads/)) but then I guess noone is buying Warcraft 2 these days anyway....

[Sideshow]

You have to defend your IP or you lose it. If Blizzard didn't shut down the Starcraft mod then they would lose the rights to Starcraft. That would be dumb.

As to 2D/3D, I'd say obviously it'll be 3D, but I would guess it will have limited zooming if any - definitely not anything like supreme commander.

[LastChanceHotel]

I don't think warcraft 2 is protectable as intallectual property as you can't buy it in stores any more (Correct me if I'm wrong!) - I believe it's "Abandonware". Plus it's not actively played as much (despite it being a golden oldie, and if anyone wants a game or tournament then a 4-way at the next LAN would rock).

[Hex]

Warcraft 2 isn't sold anymore but that doesn't automatically mean its abandonware - the developer has to declare publicly that a software product falls into this category before it is so. Oh and yes, I would always like a game of WC2 :-D

[YegaDoyai]

Even so, 'abandonware' is not recognised in legal terms. Just cos the company says they won't do anything does not mean they don't have the ability to do so. Copyright can last for 95 years according to the Wiki, and as sideshow says if you can demonstrate that you still have interest in the IP (along with all the copyright stuff) then it's yours.

[Strings]

Saw some concept like screenshots for it from a page on Blizzard. Looks like it's going to be 3D. Not that big of a fuss I hope, just moving with the times a little.

[Sideshow]

No you didn't

[Strings]

Just the same way you said I didn't have Defcon before it was out... :roll:

[LastChanceHotel]

Just the same way you said I didn't have Defcon before it was out... :roll:

Ah, I remember that RAR posted to usenet. Class.

Also, do share!

[YcMing]

oh fuck, imagine they kept it 2d .......... i think i would prefer that :).

Yeah WC2 is nice, i remember ray brought the war 2 battle net while back :)

[Sideshow]

Sure, go for it then. Let's see them.

[YcMing]

string don't be silly :0, blizzard will never ever release pictures of sc2, till they actually have released the game :)

[Hex]

The man makes a good point, Blizzard are the kings of "Its done when its done"

[Fyndir]

The man makes a good point, Blizzard are the kings of "Its done when its done"

I thought that 3D Realms got that title with the glorious DNF?

[Hex]

I thought that 3D Realms got that title with the glorious DNF?

No 3D Realms are the kinds of "Its done when its.....whats that Mike? Oh ok, Its done......never apparently"

[Strings]

Yah, turns out it was just a mod of some sorts. I can't see Blizzard making them TOO different though. Might look nicer, but in theory, should be swell.

[YcMing]

Hope they focus on gameplay, pace of the game and balancing issue ........ the expectation is so high for the sc2, hope they make a good job out of it :) and the korean will be happily include that in their pro-gaming league :)

[Sideshow]

Remember when WC3 was coming ot and we were all excited? And then it did come out?
I'm trying to hold on to a mass of scepticism, just so that I'm not disappointed. Really, what we all want is a remake of starcraft, with better graphics and some new units (i.e. a Broodwars part 2), and I don't think we'll get it.
Fingers crossed!

[YcMing]

True, I kinda thought Wc3 was a bit of a failure, just because the game was kinda slow

And to be honest i don't think on the 19th may they will be releaseing SC2 at all..

[Sideshow]

May 19th? 10 years isn't until next year.

[Hex]

True, I kinda thought Wc3 was a bit of a failure, just because the game was kinda slow

And to be honest i don't think on the 19th may they will be releaseing SC2 at all..

I quite enjoy WC3, but its not the game that WC2 is tbh.

[YcMing]

exactly what i am getting at, when War2 came out, it was completely different from other RTS, but when war 3 game out, i was really disappointed with some aspects of the game.

[Fyndir]

Errr.. (http://computerandvideogames.com/article.php?id=163207)

Not sure how reliable that is, but it's certainly worrying. =S

[Hex]

I really hope that article is a heap of shite, and tbh I suspect it is. If nothing else, WoW is huge, and shows no signs of losing popularity. The MMO marketplace has only so much room for growth, especially given the fact that people seldom seem to play more than one MMO at a time - they are rather addictive after all. By this reckoning, a Starcraft MMO would only serve to steal users from WoW, which wouldn't in fact gain Blizzard any revenue except for the money they make selling the actual boxed game, which no doubt pales into insignificance when compared to the monthly payment revenue. A Starcraft MMO would be a smart plan in a few years when WoW starts to decline, but to be quite honest I'd be expecting WoW to get a sequel a-la Everquest, Ultima etc. Frankly, I think this is vast amounts of rumour and speculation, no matter how much they'd like us to believe otherwise.

Tbh, I would laugh heartily if after all this Blizzard come out and are like "Yeah so, Diablo 3, whadya think?"

[YcMing]

may be a contridiction there,

If MMO players play more than one MMO at once, means that WOW players will more likely to subscribe to SC MMO, so blizzard wouldn't lose anything but to gain the new fees they obtain from SC MMO and also assuming they keep playing WOW as you stated "given the fact that people seldom seem to play more than one MMO at a time".

TO be honest, it might just well be SC MMO ...

[Hex]

may be a contridiction there,

If MMO players play more than one MMO at once, means that WOW players will more likely to subscribe to SC MMO

But they don't, this is my point. I really doubt many people subscribe to more than one MMO at a time, when would they find time to play both? I think that article is full of shit, its enough trouble for a developer to support one MMO without trying to release a second. My money's on Starcraft 2, standard sequel job, outside chance being Diablo 3.

EDIT: It seems the infamous Tycho Braye disgarees with me (http://www.penny-arcade.com/2007/05/07).

[DAve]

blizzard teaser? Could be SCII

http://www.blizzard.com/

[Hex]

That is indeed pretty damn suggestive of Starcraft 2. I would seriously laugh by Balls off if this turned out to be Diablo 3 in the end lol.

[Fyndir]

blizzard teaser? Could be SCII

http://www.blizzard.com/

They're fucking with our minds.

They're really going to announce that they'll never make a new game ever, because WoW is so successful that they don't need to. =(

[Sideshow]

Chance of a Starcraft MMO yesterday: |---|
Chance of a Starcraft MMO today: |--------------------------------|

[Sideshow]

Actually, scratch that. I saw the Warcraft timeline and the Diablo timeline and assumed a crossover, when in fact it's just a BLIZZARD timeline. Yay for Starcraft 2!

[Hex]

Well we only have to wait til this gig in South Korea on the 19th to find out.

EDIT: Just had a another look, while the white highlight on Starcraft in the timeline is an obvious suggestion, what of the fact that the recent game names are greyed-out? All very intriguing

[DAve]

Look at
http://www.blizzard.com/images/splash/day1.jpg
http://www.blizzard.com/images/splash/day2.jpg
http://www.blizzard.com/images/splash/day3.jpg

Unfortunately, http://www.blizzard.com/images/splash/day4.jpg is not up yet ;)

[Fyndir]

That explains why the others are greyed out, they've not had their day yet. =O

[Hex]

Hah, so there is in fact no significance to the fact that Starcraft is up today. Teasing buggers, I bet there are threads all over the place rumouring SC2, D3, WoW2 and WC4 lol

[Hex]

*bump*

Just did a wee bit of digging and found this article (http://uk.gamespot.com/news/6152718.html). It's a wee bit old (Jun 06) but it details a Blizzard response to rumours of a Starcraft MMO in the works, and they stated then that no such game was currently planned. Granted, almost a year has gone by since then.....still hopefully they're maintaining said stance, I'd much rather see SC2 or Diablo 3!

EDIT: The Blizzard Korea (http://wwi.blizzard.co.kr/) website has a similar teaser campaign done in flash. The interface surrounding the animation looks suspiciously Starcraft-esque....what could it all mean I wonder

[TK-Maximus]

Rumors not looking good...

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?_dyncharset=ISO-8859-1&id=pcat17071&type=page&st=starcraft&sc=Global&cp=1&nrp=15&sp=&qp=&list=n&iht=y&usc=All+Categories&ks=960

Might be Garbage, or might be an outlet posting stuff up too soon.

[CaNNoN_FoDDa]

I'm pretty sure they said in a press release that they'd scrapped that (they've been making it since 2004). Unfortunately i cant find the press release cos they've hidden their entire site behind that marketing junk.

It would kinda make economic sense to release Ghost, if they managed to get a viable game out of it - assuming they did a significant amount of work on it (i think the reason they scrapped it was cos they were concentrating their resources on WoW).

Would they really make this much fuss for Ghost? It's not like it's a big deal...

[Hex]

hmmm, IMO Best buy are full of shit, that release date is less than a month away, I'd be surprised if the announcement will relate to anything being released that soon. Still, we shall see in a matter of hours!

[Sideshow]

Ghost was in development by one studio, then scrapped and restarted by another, then just scrapped. Doubtful that it'll be it. I'm pretty sure it's SC2. Buy next weeks TBD to find out why!

[Hex]

Buy next weeks TBD to find out why!

TBD?

[Sideshow]

Magazine produced by the SciFi society. £1 a copy!

[Hex]

Just worked out the announcement will be made at 4am our time. I'm gonna be in bed, so I'll leave it to the night owls to post this one...

[YcMing]

hmmm 19th is tomorrow .......... time will tell..

Just to let everyone they just released a new patch for starcraft ... so i just don't think starcraft 2 will come out!!

Also starcraft have a new ladder system now!!!

[YcMing]

NOT long to go now!!!!!!!!! COME NO!!!!! SC2

[YcMing]

YUP SC2 it is!!!

http://www.wgtour.com/news.php?idN=15622&datab=broodwar

http://uk.pc.ign.com/articles/788/788627p1.html

[YcMing]

here are some trailers

http://tvpot.daum.net/theme/ThemeView.do?themeid=122&lu=m_mono_1

[Fyndir]

I am LOVING the Blizzard homepage image.

It's over here. (http://www.blizzard.com)

It is, indeed, about time.

[Hex]

"Hell, It's About Time" ^^ Very apt lol, it has been almost 10 years since Starcraft was released. Still, I can't help but feel slightly dissapointed - in all honesty I would rather the announcement was for Diablo 3. Also as yet they've not announced anything too revolutionary about the game that I've seen - better graphics, physics engine, new units, not really setting the world alight. Don't get me wrong I'll probably buy it, but I feel they're not really pushing themselves...

[DAve]

"hell, it's about time"
Fantastic.

What's the deal with SC II. It looks like they've kept a /lot/ of the original gameplay and bumped the graphics and fancied it up a little.

(I'm not trolling, but can't see what's changed apart from that)

[Hex]

I thoroughly agree Dave, it seems like they're being disgustingly conservative. Sadly innovation in sequels is pretty thin on the ground, and of course they're doing their best to keep the millions of devoted Starcraft players happy - after all Warcraft 3 (while popular) was pretty badly received by the Warcraft 2 community. If SC2 was to be badly received by the Starcraft community it would be a far bigger deal (a coupla thousand people were still playing WC2 when WC3 came out, compared to the vast SC fanbase still playing atm).

Still, I'd like to see something a bit more interesting - after all they could include different game modes to cater for different tastes - a "classic" mode which stays closer to the original and an "enhanced" mode for those of us that want innovation. Still I guess that would be too much like "work" and too little like "cash cow milking".

Either way I'll probably buy it, it'll likely be entertaining if not ground breaking.

[YegaDoyai]

The MP will be tweaked and the story line will be fresh, there will be more units or at least different units and it is all in glorious technicolour. Considering the game was primarily a multiplayer game what exactly did you expect them to do. Expanding the franchise would have got them accusations of flogging a dead horse, tacking on a new race would be seen as trying to compete with DoW - although if it gets an expansion I'd expect to see a new race. There best bet was to tweak the game and give it a new spit and polish. There will probably be some nice building tech routes or some interesting counters but overall, anything else would just have left the fan base they have reeling.

[CaNNoN_FoDDa]

It is kinda early to be criticising them - nobody's played the game yet.

I think they will have probably upgraded the unit AI, which might not make it popular with hardcore tournament players (as it takes a lot of the skill out of it), but the hardcore were never gonna swap SC for SCII anyway.

Obviously theyve upgraded the unit cap.

[Sideshow]

Not necessarily. Unit cap in SC was 200 per race, with a zergling taking up .5, so you had the potential for 400 units charging about. I think they'll probably match that - which in itself is quite feat for a 3D engine.

[YcMing]

Hmm ... It will be hard to blizzard to create another RTS that is/will be better than SC alone, just because the game is so well balance.

So i don't see any problem at all, if they do kinda keep it similar to SC.

I do honestly hope SC2 will eventually become a great game just like SC did, well only time will tell.

Does any one know any released date ??

[Hex]

They haven't announced a release date yet, as ever with Blizzard it'll be a "done when it's done" line I suspect. Still the game looks pretty far on, probs 2008 release I'd guess, maybe Xmas this year if we're lucky.

[YcMing]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3wZtC_IP1Gs&mode=related&search=

Here is a video of starcraft 2 game play video :)

I mean, if u expect sc2 to be as good as SC , it would be disappointing, but just treat it like a new game :), u'll have a different view from it + i can't wait till play the campgin and find out about the story and stuff.

[Sideshow]

Latest release date will be next year - 10 year anniversary of Broodwars. However, I think it'll be out much sooner than that. Blizzard didn't have to come forward with this - they've clearly got a lot of the game in place, maybe even the entire engine and units, and they've done all that without anyone finding out. So, the only reason to make an announcement is to generate buzz. Word of mouth excitement will escalate for a while, and then after a certain amount of time people will get bored and move on, interest will start to wane. If I was Blizzard I'd make the press announcement that amount of time prior to the release date. I'd guess that to be a couple of months.

Also: They are selling limited edition collectors models of the game's main antihero, the guy in the movie. The models go on sale in october...

[LastChanceHotel]

Found this:

Official artwork and Gameplay Video anyone? :D

http://www.vuze.com/details/OB2STFBL5YEAFKMV2ODC5NGMGOOXXNRA.html

Oh wow, protoss walkers in action!

Also found the cinematic trailer:

http://www.vuze.com/details/VIWQJTJIUNSDMCCP2JU4734ZKGWGPID4.html

"It's about time"

[CaNNoN_FoDDa]

Jan, those two are on the official site.

[Hex]

IGN report that Starcraft 2 will not be coming to consoles (http://uk.pc.ign.com/articles/790/790148p1.html). Well I say report, but they're only really quoting from the official FAQ (we should be used to this standard of journalism from IGN by now lol). I'm kinda surprised, woulda thought console ports would only server to generate more revenue.

[Sideshow]

No-one is going to release a console game which requires an optional peripheral, never mind a mouse+keyboard (not without bundling the hardware and upping the cost). There's no other way to play RTS - did you try KKND? It was a joke.

[Sideshow]

Units vid part 1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aJDFw4TGWmo)
Units vid part 2 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_TR7nGISEfc&mode=related&search=)

[Hex]

C&C3 is out on the 360, AFAIK it's not being bundled with a mouse and keyboard! I appreciate that keyboard and mouse is a better control method, but it's never stopped people before - Most of the C&C games have had console ports, Warcraft 2 had a PS1 port, Dune was on consoles, etc. Besides you wouldn't need to bundle a keyboard and mouse - both the 360 and the PS3 have USB ports, you could merely enable the use of standard USB peripherals. All I'm saying is that console ports = more money, and thats normally enough for publishers to jump on in...

[Sideshow]

Comparing EA to Blizzard is a bit... I don't know the word.

[Fyndir]

Comparing EA to Blizzard is a bit... I don't know the word.

Blasphemous?

Silly?

Nonsensical?

Gay?

[YegaDoyai]

The wii is the only console that can do an RTS justice. But it would need to be a suitably weird and quirky RTS. Nothing to serious, it is just a standard def tv after all.

[Hex]

Comparing EA to Blizzard is a bit... I don't know the word.

Warcraft 2 had a PS1 port

Wasn't comparing EA to Blizzard, was merely listing Strategy games with console ports. Yes most of them were EA games, those are just the first that came to mind.

In fact, there have been console ports of several Blizzard games:

Warcraft 2 - Saturn and PS1
Starcraft - N64
Diablo - PS1

It's only the more recent titles that haven't been ported.

[Sideshow]

Disagreeing with you is not a personal attack. All blizzards ports were done well after the game was popular, and were only done as a cash in, and in fact were not done by Blizzard at all. EA did Diablo and WC, while Mass Media did Starcraft on N64. Blizzard are not going to take valuable time and resources away from developing the game in order to develop a console port. There may be an SC2 port for consoles, but not for a couple of years. That's because Blizzard care about the game they are producing, unlike EA who only care about the cash.

[Sideshow]

IGN's vids. Much clearer than those previously posted.

Part 1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_A3rUFWcxoI&mode=related&search=)
Part 2 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f8FbxZZGnIM&mode=related&search=)
Part 3 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9V0cL7ofmwA&mode=related&search=)
Part 4 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WSle8LP9xck&mode=related&search=)

[GingerPrinz]

The wii is the only console that can do an RTS justice. But it would need to be a suitably weird and quirky RTS. Nothing to serious, it is just a standard def tv after all.

Pikmin RTS would be a meatfest.

[Strings]

Pikmin RTS would be a meatfest.

That not announced or anything?

Considering it was one of the Gamecube's more decent game series I'd be surprised if they aint got something lined up for the Wii.

[Sideshow]

The gameplay movie is now available from the Starcraft 2 site. It's the same footage that we've already seen, but in much better quality (and with the commentary).

[Sideshow]

Conventional torrent (http://torrents.thepiratebay.org/3693347/Starcraft_2_Gameplay_video.3693347.TPB.torrent) for the hires gameplay video.

[YcMing]

Here is a new interview to the creator of starcraft 2

"The designer closed by stating that the team's goals are to "recapture the magic of the original Starcraft, which was a wonderful, wonderful game," and to "make Starcraft II about these three unique races by generating new tactics and strategies."

Which is rather comforting to hear this :)

http://uk.gamespot.com/news/6171178.html

Enjoy the interview :)

[Bluepixie]

I positively can not wait for this one, looks absolutely amazing. Bye bye DoW. Bye bye C&C. The new daddy is on it's way!

[Sid]

Yeah, looks like a good one to try out at the LANs next year. Why was DoW picked instead of the original starcraft as our main strategy game, out of interest? I've never played starcraft and just kinda started playing DoW because everyone else at the LANs was, so I don't really have a clue.

[Hex]

I've never played starcraft

:-o :-o :-o

Someone get this man a copy of Starcraft, stat!

Honestly dude, you can pick this up for next to nothing now (e.g. Play.com £7.75 (http://www.play.com/Games/PC/4-/102513/Starcraft-Broodwar-Expansion-Pack/Product.html)) and seriously, it is a class game. DoW is good banter, but I'd say SC is a far better game overall. I stink at it but I still love the game, It's old school RTS at it's finest really - the only game I've heard people argue is better would be Total Annihilation. Buy it, you won't regret spending 8 quid on it trust me lol.

[TK-Maximus]

DoW over SC? No idea. The only feasible answer is that at the time, and indeed now, DoW is a much more level playing field. Granted: Sid, Gor, King, Larry and Ru will happily smash the face of any of the rest of us, but none of them could smash the face of any 3 other players at the same time (Ming!).

Also, it err, looks better. Kinda.

Anyways, back on topic, SC2!!!!!11111eleven11!!! Waaaant. Naaaoowww.

[Octavion]

I was never particularly inspired by the original Starcraft I must say. Dunno why, possibly becasue I was so into TA around the same time.

Anyway, looking for to trying out the new Starcraft as I'll be coming at it from a non-nostalgic point of view so be able to form an objective opinion on it. I don't think I've been able to do this for a RTS since TA.

[YegaDoyai]

DoW looked nice, played nice, justified the spending on our putes. SC looks ok, plays better than anything, does not justify the spending on our 'putes. Therefore for teh n00bs what we were DoW > SC. I'm not so sure if presented the same choice now we'd go with the same game considering we now have a rough idea how to play RTS games.

[Sideshow]

SC was big at GUNS lans, but around the later guns event, just before we became pause, all the new members were loath to play a game which looked as retro as SC. DoW was prettier, so we played that for a laugh and got more serious - I wanted SC, and figured I could tempt people into it with another RTS. It almost worked too - DoWs imbalance was beginning to piss everyone off, and I managed to get them to play a game of SC. Then the patch came out for DoW, and we got mired back into it. So: Yay for pretty graphics in SC2!

[Fyndir]

I must have missed all the 1337 SC action at older GUNS events then, I remember it being Ming and a few of his friends playing SC while everyone else did other things.

My problem with SC was that I never managed to get any good at it, at all. =P

[LastChanceHotel]

I must have missed all the 1337 SC action at older GUNS events then, I remember it being Ming and a few of his friends playing SC while everyone else did other things.

No.

That was ming playing against every other person at the LAN, at the same time. :P

[Fyndir]

No.

That was ming playing against every other person at the LAN, at the same time. :P

Then who was I playing Source with?

...

Bots?

YOU MADE ME PLAY AGAINST BOTS?!


TROLL SMASH!

[Sideshow]

Dude, those weren't the older GUNS event, those were the last few GUNS events.

[Fyndir]

Dude, those weren't the older GUNS event, those were the last few GUNS events.

That was what I meant, I had missed the older ones and was only there for the last few.

Sorry if the wording made it seem different.

[Stakhanov]

Unfortunately SC2 seems to be quite a lot like old SC. I was hoping the playing field would have been levelled to assist all the people who didn't time their Zergling rushes with a stopwatch. Looking at you, King and Pit.
Say if it had been some kind of Soul Calibur crossed with Rome: Total War. That would've been cool. Or just R:TW. Nothing else needed really. All these 'Motherships with magic powers' just get in the way and allow too much nonsense.
Bloody Queens, killing all my tanks... *grumbles away into the distance*

[YcMing]

To be honest, i personally hate people that say "rushing is no fun" ," no skills involve" and anything along those line.

But do u ever think of when someone rush fails, how far behind they will be in the game ???(so it is kinda only fair, they suffer hard when it fails but it can possibly win their game). Also how many games do u think u can actually win just by rushing ? IT is part of the game accept it, that's is also one of the thing which made SC good, fast pace.

I Guess people prefer dow, because it is quicker to get into (slower pace etc..) and have pretty units and a nice little animation :)

But yeah try sc out, for the 8 pound is worth a shot, after 10 games or so, i am sure u'll see the class in the game :).

Anyway yeah SC2 GOGOGOGO!!! As for looking like SC, well guess what, is hard to change something that is already so perfect and i also guess they want the koreans to include in thier pro league when it comes out. Probably the main reason why they have to keep some parts similar.

One thing that is important to me is, fast pace and balancing , graphics wise doesn't really bother me at all :)

[Sideshow]

People who say "Rushes are gay" or "you only won cos you used cheesy tactic X" aren't worth responding to - their viewpoint is flawed fundamentally. They're the same people who'll yell "No AWPing", "No nade-spamming" or "No spawn-camping". Some of them fall into the playing-the-game-not-winning mould, though most will just be too incapable and/or lazy to learn how to play the game to it's full extent, or simply be making up excuses because they just lost. Either way, you're not going to get anything useful out of arguing with them, so just forget them and move on.
Any game is just that - a game, with a codified set of rules within which you are free to move. Everything you do within those rules which advances your position is a good thing to do. Subjecting yourself to some intransigent code of conduct which only exists in your opponents head is counter-productive, and not really even all that possible.

[Fyndir]

Generally I agree with enforcing no spawn camping in BF2, because all it does is make the game near impossible to play, you don't have any real defense against a tank sitting nearby when you spawn, it can blow you up, or just mow you down with the lovely big machine gun, so in the interests of making the game more fun they should pull back, at the very least to give you time to spawn.

This clearly would not apply if they were capturing the point, or attempting to do so, I'm meaning for the points which cannot be captured.

[Hex]

People who say "Rushes are gay" or "you only won cos you used cheesy tactic X" aren't worth responding to - their viewpoint is flawed fundamentally. They're the same people who'll yell "No AWPing", "No nade-spamming" or "No spawn-camping".

I agree that rush is a perfectly fair tactic, I also agree that AWPs are a perfectly fair weapon in CS:S, however nade-spamming is kinda against the spirit of the game - it's fair play if you've *found* the grenades but if you're just taking advantage of a long buy time on CS:S, nade spamming is pretty lame. Still, a decently configured server will only allow about 20 secs buy time anyway. Equally spawn camping is very dependant on the game. If you're camping the opposing teams (uncapturable) spawn point on BF2 with a tank, you deserve a slap. However if you're spawn camping your own spawn on a game like CS:S, it likely just means you're defending an objective, or that you're failing miserably to complete one in which case the opposing team shouldn't be whinging! Camping player spawns on quake or other DM games can be a bit lame, but then if you're standing still on quake you're probs not gonna be alive long....

Anyways, back to strategy, I don't understand why people complain about Zergling rush. It's effectiveness was actually reduced in one of the patches if I remember correctly (this was greeted with cries of "noooooooo my zergling rushhhhhhhhh! my beautiful zergling russsh *sobs*") and tbh a decent SC player (so not me lol) can combat rush pretty easily. Also its all about team play - if your teammates help you out then a rush shouldn't be enough to destroy you.

[--Mogwai--]

People who say "Rushes are gay" or "you only won cos you used cheesy tactic X" aren't worth responding to - their viewpoint is flawed fundamentally. They're the same people who'll yell "No AWPing", "No nade-spamming" or "No spawn-camping". Some of them fall into the playing-the-game-not-winning mould, though most will just be too incapable and/or lazy to learn how to play the game to it's full extent, or simply be making up excuses because they just lost.

depends if its a 'serious' 'competitive' game or just for fun. if youre in a competition, or the game is something to be taken seriously for whatever reason (practice, grudge-match, pre-arranged game @ lan ), then id agree 100%.
however if the game is just a luagh, and you get some dick using the cheesy tactic over and over then i think its a fair complaint. its no fun beating up on people worse than you when the game is just for fun, thats just being a dick. spawn-camping on BF2 fun games, AWPs in public-play CS, etc. should all be banned i think. its part laziness and not bothering to get good on the part of the bad players losing to these tactics, but the better players shouldnt really enjoy it in the first place.
no-one cares about 40-3 on public css with an AWP, no matter how many screenshots you take, just like noone is impressed by zerg rushes or fast landspeeders in fun games.

[Fyndir]

no-one cares about 40-3 on public css with an AWP, no matter how many screenshots you take

However similarly high scores on public CSS using "lesser" weapons are always worth screenshotting. =D

[Sideshow]

spawn-camping on BF2 fun games, AWPs in public-play CS, etc. should all be banned i think.

Weird - last time I talked to you about this you were a firm advocate of spawn camping uncappables in BF2, to make the game end quicker if nothing else.

[--Mogwai--]

while the option is there, it should be used to speed BF2 up, but i meant the game would be better overall if the option wasnt there at all or uncappables didnt exist and therefore couldnt be camped, or for some mysterious reason your gun 'jammed' once you got within a certain distance of the flag. having to endure a camped uncappable on bf2 for 5 mins is better than having to endure a game that is already won with no hope of come-back for 15 minutes.
i advocate ending already decided games as quickly as possible, as opposed to camping uncappable spawns...(especially when theres another captureable flag) which people regularly do even when theres a close fight going on elsewhere on the map.

[YegaDoyai]

depends if its a 'serious' 'competitive' game or just for fun. if youre in a competition, or the game is something to be taken seriously for whatever reason (practice, grudge-match, pre-arranged game @ lan ), then id agree 100%.
however if the game is just a luagh, and you get some dick using the cheesy tactic over and over then i think its a fair complaint. its no fun beating up on people worse than you when the game is just for fun, thats just being a dick. spawn-camping on BF2 fun games, AWPs in public-play CS, etc. should all be banned i think. its part laziness and not bothering to get good on the part of the bad players losing to these tactics, but the better players shouldnt really enjoy it in the first place.
no-one cares about 40-3 on public css with an AWP, no matter how many screenshots you take, just like noone is impressed by zerg rushes or fast landspeeders in fun games.

Says Larry "Force lightning" IMBA.

P.S.
IMBA is your new surname, hope you like it :)

[--Mogwai--]

Says Larry "Force lighning" IMBA.

P.S.
IMBA is your new surname, hope you like it :)

lol pause has come a long way since you fags used to kick new members out of servers 'cause they owned you...
edit: the new surname does just fine

[Hex]

lol pause has come a long way since you fags used to kick new members out of servers 'cause they owned you...


When the fuck did that ever happen? Oh and lets have less of the "you fags", homophobia isn't big or clever...

[--Mogwai--]

When the fuck did that ever happen? Oh and lets have less of the "you fags", homophobia isn't big or clever...

shuuuut up.

m8 you dont even come to the lans?

[YegaDoyai]

"Homophobia is just that: a phobia. A morbid and irrational dread which prompts irrational behavior flight or the desire to destroy the stimulus for the phobia and anything reminiscent of it."[8]

I prefer the term hetrosexist. And yes, fags is funny.

[Fyndir]

When the fuck did that ever happen? Oh and lets have less of the "you fags", homophobia isn't big or clever...

Lets have less of the CS, terrorism isn't big or clever.

Lets have less of the CoH, Nazis aren't big or clever.

Lets have less of the DoW, Xenophobia isn't big or clever.

Lets have less of the LFS, because pollution isn't big or clever.


Looking for offensive stuff to complain about just because you feel like complaining isn't big or clever either, by the way.

[LastChanceHotel]

Looking for offensive stuff to complain about just because you feel like complaining isn't big or clever either, by the way.

I agree. Hex, consider yourself warned.

[Hex]

m8 you dont even come to the lans?

Been comin to the LANs for 3 years mate...don't make it every one, but still been to plenty

[Bluepixie]

Consider all of yourselves warned.

Larry, get back in the box. pronto.

Peter likewise. Racism, is not exactly cool.

Hex just stop reacting to this gash.

Continuing will result in bans. Guilty member have been warned.

Chill out! We spent a considerable amount of money on this forum, quit abusing it! :evil:

[--Mogwai--]

Consider all of yourselves warned.

Larry, get back in the box. pronto.

Peter likewise. Racism, is not exactly cool.

Hex just stop reacting to this gash.

Continuing will result in bans. Guilty member have been warned.

Chill out! We spent a considerable amount of money on this forum, quit abusing it! :evil:

lol back in the box? excuse me? what does that even mean?... racism wasnt even mentioned, sure homophobia, xenophobia (lol?), pollution, terrorism and the nazis were... but wtf are you on about?.... and its just a luagh, telling us to chill out seems a bit much, noone is taking it seriously (i hope).

[Fyndir]

xenophobia (lol?)

Aliens.

The Imperials, SM etc HATE all aliens, therefore they can be considered xenophobic.

[YcMing]

sideshow made one example about awp in CS , then it the whole topic went on towards BF2..

nice...

[YegaDoyai]

So, bets on when the Zerg or Marine press release will come, my guess is 2 months.

(Yeah, this is the Starcraft 2 discussion thread, weird eh?)

[Hex]

So, bets on when the Zerg or Marine press release will come, my guess is 2 months.


Dunno about that, how about bets for a release date? I'm thinking pre-Xmas isn't a bad shout, though knowing Blizzard it will take longer lol.

[YcMing]

i think anything between 3 months to 6 is a save estmate ~~ they alway take ages..

[YcMing]

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/18925251/

Starcraft 2, wait till next year !!!! FFS!!!

"The only thing I can give you [that’s] concrete is it’s not going to be this year. Some people were hoping, because of how advanced the game looks, that we’d have it out by Christmas, but that’s definitely not happening."

[Hex]

Bad news on the release date. However, from the article:

Online, we’ve learned a lot. In the original “StarCraft,” there was no online matchmaking system. That’s going to be huge…for “StarCraft II.” In “Warcraft III,” you had to press the “play game” button and it’d put you in a game with similarly skilled people. We’re going to do yet another improvement on that system for “StarCraft II,” which is going to be huge for the online market — especially broad market users.

Matchmaking FTW! I can play online with noobs like myself, unlike when I tried to play SC1 online and spent a week getting owned by uber-l33t korean players :-(

[Uuurrahh]

Instead you'll just occasionally get owned by the 1337 players on their n00b accounts :P

[YcMing]

hmm may be join the "1v1 noob games", most of the time, u'll find people your level :).

But SC2 ... it seems like it will take ages..

[Sideshow]

Mechs! (http://eu.starcraft2.com/images/screenshots/ss26.jpg)

Looks like a barracks transformer to me... Check out the Vikings too.

[Strings]

Tasty giblets.

http://www.shacknews.com/onearticle.x/48302

[Sideshow]

BlizzCon 2007

Terran Walkthrough:
Part 1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hEKvV2jokQc)
Part 2 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=euC8cqbGPmY)

Gameplay footage:
Part 1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_pgdIZfBNQU)
Part 2 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ilX0ns3AT0g)
Part 3 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MdG7WJDS14s)

Storymode Walkthrough:
Part 1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m0fQDMQaXGQ)
Part 2 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nOzJuM3OxNk)
Part 3 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x88tGKwX1L0)
Part 4 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AU4StjTV0ZY)

Interview (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n-wdJA004rU)
First Crowd Impressions (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vkJH4IoyHt8)

[Sideshow]

Jesus, a year later? Fuck me. Anyway: Blizzcon is on Friday! Can you smell the release date? Can ya?

[To0]

Jesus, a year later? Fuck me. Anyway: Blizzcon is on Friday! Can you smell the release date? Can ya?

no...

[TK-Maximus]

Pretty much not. Blizzard really don't do release dates.

I'm currently betting Spring 2009?

[Sideshow]

Blizzard really don't do release dates.

...until it's ready...

[YcMing]

probably not, but there is a great starcraft tournament going on tho :D. A must watch :D!

[Hex]

Starcraft 2 now a trilogy of separate games (http://www.shacknews.com/onearticle.x/55267)

I smell a cynical money making ploy...

[Phizz]

This is a 'wow look how much THQ made from DoW by putting different races in each pack!' reposte.

[Fyndir]

I smell a cynical money making ploy...

Yes, it's called Blizzard.

FACT: Blizzard employees wear underwear made out of £50 notes.

FACT: Blizzard employees wrap their sandwiches in £100 notes, and then use them as napkins.

FACT: Blizzard managers are under instructions to make money whenever possible, sometimes resorting to harvesting organs from interns.

FACT: The official (but secret) Blizzard motto is 'An expansion a day keeps the debt collector away.'

None of those are facts.

[Sideshow]

You mean repost or riposte? Anyway, it isn't anything other than a desire to release the game at some point in the near future.

[Phizz]

yes riposte. But you gotta admit it is a little dawn of waresque.

[YcMing]

can't see that working, how is online gaming (battlenet) going to work ?

Ming

[Sideshow]

I think you're all getting the wrong end of the stick. Starcraft 2 is going to be released with a Terran single-player campaign, and a 3-race multiplayer. The next 2 games will add a new race single player campaign (zerg and then finally protoss), and some extra units for each race - quite like Brood Wars.

[YcMing]

Nope can't see that happening either!!!!! >.<

Unless blizzard is skint making the game, and needs to make some money before the story line of zerg and protoss finishes :P

Ming

[Sideshow]

You can see it or not, doesn't make any difference to reality.

[YcMing]

Reality? I don't see them mention relasing 3 different version of starcraft 2 on blizzard website?

OR you know someone that work for them ?

Ming

Ref: http://eu.starcraft2.com/

[Sideshow]

StarCraft II Single Player Is A Trilogy! (http://kotaku.com/5061980/starcraft-ii-single-player-is-a-trilogy)

[Captain_Caveman]

It is also mentioned on SC II website you linked to Ming, under FAQ it explains how the trilogy thingy is gonna work.

[YcMing]

see it now, many thanks!

[YcMing]

starcraft 2 beta anyone? They have released key during Blizzcon in the event.
I really really want to get a key, i think future registration for beta is at 13-Nov.

If i find anything, i'll post it up!

Ming

[Sid]

If i find anything, i'll post it up!

Nice. Cheers!

[YcMing]

Was reading some starcraft 2 on a starcraft forum:

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=80954

Blizzard have been handing out the starcraft 2 beta key at events and you can buy them on ebay !!! like the following :

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/1-Starcraft-II-Beta-Key-Star-Craft-2-Blizzard-Blizzcon_W0QQitemZ250320732345QQcmdZViewItem?hash= item250320732345

and according to a post on the forum the registartions starts on the 13th of Nov, so i urge anyone wants to get the beta go on to the following website on the 13th of Nov!!

http://blizzcon.com/beta

Ming

[Hex]

How to Opt-In for the SCII beta (http://starcraft.incgamers.com/blog/comments/how-to-opt-in-to-the-starcraft-ii-beta/). This process enters you into a lottery, it doesn't guarantee a beta key. Worth a try though...

[GigaFuzz]

Starcraft 2 will not have LAN multiplayer. Battle.net only, apparantly.
"we don't have any plans to support LAN," [VP of game design Rob Pardo] said and clarified "we will not support it." The only multiplayer available will be on Battle.net.

That seems like a pretty drastic decision and will no doubt piss a lot of people off. Since the only way I was likely to play SC2 multi was on a LAN against my mates, this might make things a little more complicated and annoying (net connection drops, etc).

Source (and more): http://www.incgamers.com/Interviews/190/StarCraftIIDevelopersInterviewed?gr_i_ni

[saladin]

Anti-piracy, clearly. I'm not surprised.

[GingerPrinz]

Yeah Blizzard are really trying to push Battle.Net again just now. It is a bit of a bummer.

[Gunder]

I guess they don't think the LAN environment is common enough for it to matter in this day and age. It's not the first time a prominent PC developer has taken this attitude. Valve springs to mind with Left 4 Dead not being able to run LAN games if the LAN lacks an active internet connection.

[Hex]

Yet another game that we won't be able to play at Pause LANs unless the QMU get their binternets sorted...

[DAve]

Starcraft 2 will not have LAN multiplayer. Battle.net only, apparantly.


That seems like a pretty drastic decision and will no doubt piss a lot of people off. Since the only way I was likely to play SC2 multi was on a LAN against my mates, this might make things a little more complicated and annoying (net connection drops, etc).

Source (and more): http://www.incgamers.com/Interviews/190/StarCraftIIDevelopersInterviewed?gr_i_ni

That's just stupid, IMHO. I wonder how many starcraft players were first introduced to SC at a lan, or play at lans.

[Einner]

Isn't it wierd how you can watch Starcraft on TV and go to yank-style drive-in theatres and see tournaments on beaches in Korea; but it looks like Starcraft won't be available for a bog-standard LAN at the QM

[GingerPrinz]

Well think about it from a seller's perspective - if people could just download it and play it over Hamachi then they would make much fewer sales than if play is restricted to battle.net

You can still play it at a LAN with a decent internet connection, unfortunately that rules us out :P

[Bluepixie]

You can still play it at a LAN with a decent internet connection, unfortunately that rules us out :P

Is that so? I guess you are the last word on this issue. :p

[Gunder]

Rest assured, if there's a reasonable alternative to our LAN internet troubles, we'll find it.

[GingerPrinz]

Is that so? I guess you are the last word on this issue. :p

Yus, all your internets are belong to me. :tongue: (<- I like that little guy, has he always been here?)

[Sideshow]

:( not this year (http://kotaku.com/5330873/starcraft-ii-officially-delayed-to-2010)

[Sideshow]

Hires patch for Starcraft (http://www.neoseeker.com/news/11951-starcraft-goes-hi-res-with-resolution-expander/). So, who wants a game?

[gor]

http://www.shacknews.com/onearticle.x/62318

[Sideshow]

Yeah, and only yesterday I was trying in vain yet again to register for the beta. The beta-opt-in tool refuses to upload my details, no matter what PC I send from :(

[YcMing]

beta started, here is some video :)

It does indeed look like starcraft with better graphics :D

is it me or the game play seems rather slow ~~?

Ming

[saladin]

You lie. There is no video.

As a consolation to other viewers, here is a video of horses (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WUJOY7y_8QQ). With soft rock.

[YcMing]

whoops sorry:

http://www.1up.com/do/newsStory?cId=3177988

Ming

[saladin]

The whole thing looks archaic, stale and static compared to modern RTS games. From the resource gathering, to the boring visuals and apparently fixed camera. Even the UI is boring. The horse video was more exciting.

[brialzebub]

I weep for the starcraft franchise... this looks like the game that shouldve been released two years later, not 10.

[YcMing]

Guess this is probably be a game for the peeps that played starcraft before :).

Is alright tho, gives much better competition when playing on b-net.

Ming

[neogramps]

Wow, that's the epitome of a fanboy response.

[Sideshow]

Fanboi response: YOU'RE AN IDIOT WTF SC2 WILL BE BEST RTS EVAR GBT C&C NOOB
Ming's response: Looks like the people who liked SC1 will like this, less so for people who didn't. I like that though, since it means the games on battle.net will be more challenging (since it looks like SC1 skills will transfer over)

Not really seeing a correlation, hence:
Neogramps response: HUR DUR I'M FUCKING RETARDED

[To0]

http://imagemacros.files.wordpress.com/2009/12/shark_derp_durr_hurr.jpg

[Hex]

Wow, they really haven't changed much have they? From those videos it looks like Starcraft, with very slightly better graphics. I don't see this being too exciting a prospect for anyone other than hardcore SC players who still believe it to be RTS perfection a decade on.

[Captain_Caveman]

There looks to be quite a bit of tactical difference, many more units able to counteract high ground advantage for example but it is indeed just starcraft with shiny new graphics and a selection of different rock/paper/scissors units. Personally I still like SC a lot so to me it's great but, as Iain has already pointed out, it may not be to everyone's tastes.

[YcMing]

Lol loving the hate.

lol iain :P

Ming

[saladin]

Criticism does not equal hate.

Saladin

[YcMing]

Criticism does not equal hate.

Saladin

Ahh very true, how can one criticise without playing it tho?

But i guess you must be the lucky one that has a beta key to play it.

Ming

[YcMing]

Actually,

"The whole thing looks archaic, stale and static compared to modern RTS games."

Care to share to what other games you were comparing this to ?

Ming

[saladin]

Company of Heroes, World In Conflict, Dawn of War 1 and 2. Men of War. Hell, even Supreme Commander.

[YcMing]

nice list of games there, don't think any of them have been in any serious competitions (may be DAW1/2). Am sure they are fun tho, full of colours easy to play.

Anyway let's get back on topics. Release date ? did they come out with one at all ?

Ming

[Sideshow]

WCG ran DoW in '05 and '06

[Bluepixie]

full of colours easy to play

sorry man, but have you even seen, let alone played Company of Heroes (http://uk.gamespot.com/pc/strategy/companyofheroes/index.html?tag=result;title;0) or World in Conflict (http://uk.gamespot.com/pc/strategy/worldinconflict/index.html?tag=result;title;0). Not exactly pastel colours, or child's play for that matter.

http://gotymedia.gamespy.com/2006/images/screens/pc-rts-company_of_heroes.jpg

Now if you compare that to Starcraft......

http://www.games.louisdizon.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/starcraft-2.jpg

[TK-Maximus]

Mmmmmmmm. SC2 Beta. Tastes so good!

[Sideshow]

Excellent. Can now report you for breaking NDA and get you off it. Envy ftw.

[GigaFuzz]

1) I think the NDA lifted when the beta went up, though I will check, as
2) I got in it last night. I'm not going anwhere near puplic online matches though.

[TK-Maximus]

I checked the agreement before I posted. Basically there are some things that I'm bound not to disclose, but that I'm in and that it's awesome are not on the list.

Frequently, Blizzard seems to use the Beta as a hype generator more than a testing mechanic, if WoW is anything to go by.

[Sideshow]

Oh well, back to plan B then: go back to my car, get my other gun, shoot everybody's ass.

[TK-Maximus]

Oh well, back to plan B then: go back to my car, get my other gun, shoot everybody's ass.

You could just come round to mine for a go...

[GingerPrinz]

Oh well, back to plan B then: go back to my car, get my other gun, shoot everybody's ass.

You can put a cat in an oven, but that don't make it a biscuit.

[LucaBrazi]

I think SC2 will crush the competitors.

[YcMing]

I think SC2 will crush the competitors.

Been playing single player, as my cousin got a crack for it :D. I will agree with that statment!

IT is just amazing. Well let's just wait and see what sort of preview it will get.

Think this will attract some of the DOW fans, well if they could cope with a fast game play that is. Am really gald that Blizzard kept the game play nice and quick and not wait for ages and ages for anything to happen.

Ming

[YcMing]

Thanks to raymond I'll got a beta key for this game :D love it but so hard to win ...

Ming

[Captain_Caveman]

You only just got a beta key?! Figured you'd have had it ages ago.

[Bluepixie]

Not a dedicated player.

[acc85]

GAME.co.uk has decided to give out beta keys for every pre-order of SC2. Keys will be distributed from the 5th of May. I managed to the keys for me and Ming from competitions held on certain websites hosting competition for Beta keys. Starcraft-source facebook and twitter pages are releasing keys daily, but your highly unlikely to get it, considering the keys are taken seconds they are published. Apparently , I'm getting another beta key from another competition i entered a few days back, as well as one more fom game, seeing as I pre-ordered the game a few days back.

[YcMing]

You only just got a beta key?! Figured you'd have had it ages ago.

I alway thought it was impossible to get one... considering some get sold on ebay!

Raymond did get me a crack to just play against the computers.

Hope they get the game out soon tho :D. Message acc85 (Ray), he'll tell you how to play against the computers. Well worth it !

Ming

[TK-Maximus]

The Beta is filling up pretty quickly. I've had 3 invite a friend codes sent to me so far, and I know a few other people are getting them too. They seem to be trying to stress test the system for go-live, which doesn't look like it'll be far off.

[Sideshow]

Dude, keep up! (http://kotaku.com/5530114/starcraft-ii-wings-its-way-to-liberty-this-july)

[Captain_Caveman]

July you say, birthday you say, 2 weeks off you say... wonder what I'll be doing :D

[YcMing]

Think they have removed the LAN options for starcraft 2 as well :(

If you don't have a beta key, get single player just to get a feel of the game!!!!

Ming

[acc85]

Who in pausegaming are in the Starcraft 2 Beta?

[Sideshow]

Me, TK-Max, Captain Caveman, Nogbad, Giga, Gunder (though those two never play)

[GigaFuzz]

Me, TK-Max, Captain Caveman, Nogbad, Giga, Gunder (though those two never play)

I can't help it. I was raised on TA and am conditioned to hate SC.

[acc85]

:-) ah well, what are your names in the SC2 beta?

[YcMing]

How come no one ever message me for a game :'(!!!

Well finding you lot on msn!!!

Ming

[Sideshow]

We were happy living in our little noob bubble, devoid of good players. I'm not really on MSN any more, but you can hit me up on steam.

[YcMing]

Iain, seriously iain. The skills transfered to SC2 are little. Am not on steam, you wanna jump on Msn around 6-7 ish for a game )?

Is the list you posted are those actual username on battle net for sc2?

Ming

[Sideshow]

Nope, tell me your battle.net name and I'l add you. Busy tonight though.

[acc85]

Ycming.ycming

[YcMing]

is anyone up for a game in SC2?

[YcMing]

Everything got reset :D Got into the diamond's league!

Think beta is ending on the 21st of June :(. Better play more now!

Ming